I’m sure this will draw some comments..
Indiana Senator Lonnie Randolph (D-district 2) introduced Senate Bill 0124 regarding corporal punishment. Do we really need to legislate how we raise our children?
I’m withholding my thoughts for now, I have an appointment to get to, then a mega-day of NFL football. I’ll chime in later.
2010 2nd Regular Session
DIGEST OF INTRODUCED BILL
Corporal punishment by parents. Specifies that a parent or guardian of a child has legal authority to: (1) apply reasonable force to a child; or (2) impose reasonable confinement on a child; if the parent or guardian believes that the reasonable force or confinement is necessary for the proper control, training, or education of the child. Provides that the following factors are relevant in determining whether force or confinement is reasonable: (1) The age of the child. (2) The sex of the child. (3) The physical and mental condition of the child. (4) The nature of the child’s misbehavior and the child’s motive for the misbehavior. (5) The influence that the child’s example may have on other children of the same family or group. (6) Whether the force or confinement is reasonably necessary and appropriate to compel obedience to a proper command. (7) Whether the force or confinement is disproportionate to the misbehavior, unnecessarily degrading, or likely to cause serious or permanent harm.
Current Status: In Committee – first House
H/T: Doug Masson
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My first reaction is “What are they in my home for?”
Beyond that… Here are arguments…
Scenario one (addressing part 2, The sex of the child):
Girl is punished more severely because a more harsh penalty should keep her from ‘doing it’ again.
Boy is punished lighter because he is punished more often.
Scenario two (addressing the same):
Boy is punished harder because he has the where-with-all to take it.
Girl is punished lighter because she is a girl.
Where is their logic behind considering any gender in corporal punishment? What is their purpose behind this?
Seems to me like this law would protect parents who are sued by their kids and/or have their kids taken away by Child Protective Services. Seems like an okay idea to me.
so who determines if the force the parent felt was reasonable is reasonable. seems like too much of a possibility of those feel good anti-spanking people to get into the homes of parents.
Priorities, priorities.
It’s still okay to terminate your child’s life if their very existence is inconvenient to you, before birth of course. We call it the capital punishment law, aka abortion.
Direct hit, Dave.
And I doubt those backing this statist legislation want it any other way.
What they do want is a subjectivist standard against which to second guess parents who do spank their born children.
They know that Hoosiers would not accept a ban on spanking… thus this is the camel’s nose in our homes, followed by social workers (clueless, pretty much by definition) and then government psychologists and psychiatrists (don’t get me started) sicced on those parents who reject political correctness to discipline their loved and not aborted kids.
Just say no to the mental health profession supervising the discipline of our nondrugged kids.
My father was a firm believer in corporal punishment. It was, at times, in the mind of a 10 year-old, to the extreme. It wasn’t a simple over the knee session with a few swats. It was down to the basement, drop your drawers and bend over. Then the belt came out.
It hurt like hell, but I refused to cry.
With 5 boys to raise, all the while working two and sometimes three jobs, my father had few options in his mind when it came to discipline. This was in the 60′s, and times were different.
Life was good. We each got a new Sting Ray bicycle as our first and only provided means of self-transportation. Our parents went into hock for those bikes, working out a payment plan with the local bike store. It took them years to pay those off. We also had a swimming pool, a couple of mini-bikes, and there was no shortage of toys. We wanted for nothing.
We also had chores, and they were many. Most of it was yard work. My father worked mostly for family, (Italian), in the construction business. He was a heavy equipment operator; bulldozers, scrapers, cranes, etc. We had a large sunken backyard that was maybe 250′ deep. One day, he brought home a dump truck full of fill dirt. The dirt was full of rocks. I soon learned what working the rock pile meant. Don’t perform your chores, you’re on the rock pile, which meant raking the rocks out, putting them in a wheel barrel and hauling them off to a pile. Later, you might have to move the pile from one spot to another.
Ignoring your chores never led to a “ass-whoopin.” It only meant more hard labor. That taught me early on about making “good decisions,” being responsible for myself and most importantly, it taught me a good work ethic. The one thing my father would not tolerate was disrespect for our mother, lying, and stealing. Break one of those commandments and your butt was headed down to the basement, and rightly so. The big item was sins against our mother. Don’t even go there was the rule.
There was one time that none of us five boys would own up to something, and honestly, I don’t recall exactly what is was. I think, maybe, something was broken. What i do remember is I didn’t do it. I may have been all of 11, maybe 12 at the time. We were all lined up, oldest to youngest. Dad asked for a confession. No one complied. He was about to start with the spanking when I blurted out I was the culprit. He summarily dismissed my four brothers.
He never spanked me that day. He never said why, but I suspect he knew I was lying. That alone should have been enough for a good old fashioned ass-whoopin but he let it go. Truth was, I was saving my youngest brother from “the belt.” I wish now maybe he would have gotten it
He’s still a little shit, in spite of being bigger than me.
I’m a better person for my exposure to “corporal punishment,” which included a few sessions with Mr. White, my elementary principal.
As for me and my children, it was minimal. Short of one rather funny story, the occasional swats on the ass happened. I learned early on that the psychological approach has a far greater impact than a swat on the ass.
Yet another reason not to let the Village raise our children…