Comments on: Drug testing for welfare and unemployment recipients http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/ Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:51:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: rick http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-95252 rick Mon, 10 May 2010 05:32:27 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-95252 iagree with d/t to get help from the goverment with food and other benfits. i once was a very ative drug abuser that sent me to prison a few times before i found help understanding and dealing with my adction. now after a good number of years of working and taking care myself by playing by the rules. i suffered spinal injury and now scrap to have just enough to stay alive and nothing more from s s i and would gladly piss in a every day if it ment that could have a lil room to relax and not have to sweat if be able to eat at the end of the month and as a reminder to myself that some of us really can change for the better iagree with d/t to get help from the goverment with food and other benfits. i once was a very ative drug abuser that sent me to prison a few times before i found help understanding and dealing with my adction. now after a good number of years of working and taking care myself by playing by the rules. i suffered spinal injury and now scrap to have just enough to stay alive and nothing more from s s i and would gladly piss in a every day if it ment that could have a lil room to relax and not have to sweat if be able to eat at the end of the month and as a reminder to myself that some of us really can change for the better

]]> By: Naptowner http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83320 Naptowner Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:29:52 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83320 Why stop at welfare recipients? Why not test everyone who receives financial benefits from the government? This would include anyone who has a government-subsidized mortgage (meaning anyone who deducts mortgage interest on their taxes)? If they have money for drugs, they don't really need the tax break, right? How about anyone who gets a government-subsidized education at a public high school or university? Anyone who drives on public roads, uses public safety or fire protection services? Why stop at welfare recipients? Why not test everyone who receives financial benefits from the government? This would include anyone who has a government-subsidized mortgage (meaning anyone who deducts mortgage interest on their taxes)? If they have money for drugs, they don’t really need the tax break, right? How about anyone who gets a government-subsidized education at a public high school or university? Anyone who drives on public roads, uses public safety or fire protection services?

]]> By: Robert Enders http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83310 Robert Enders Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:29:55 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83310 Jennifer, The people who believe that it wrong to be under the influence are not the ones who want drugs legalized. Jennifer,
The people who believe that it wrong to be under the influence are not the ones who want drugs legalized.

]]> By: chris martin http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83305 chris martin Thu, 26 Mar 2009 22:29:18 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83305 i work at a job where i was an alternate(read: worked there once every third blue moon) in a department where drug testing was required, unlike the rest of the plant. I spent more time trying to pee than actually ever working in the department. Thus I think my opinion is valid, and that is: it doesn't matter to me. However, I think when you're number comes up, you should get a 15-minute pepsi-chugging break so that one doesn't have to get so intimate with one's intimate parts. i work at a job where i was an alternate(read: worked there once every third blue moon) in a department where drug testing was required, unlike the rest of the plant. I spent more time trying to pee than actually ever working in the department. Thus I think my opinion is valid, and that is: it doesn’t matter to me. However, I think when you’re number comes up, you should get a 15-minute pepsi-chugging break so that one doesn’t have to get so intimate with one’s intimate parts.

]]> By: Derek http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83303 Derek Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:26:45 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83303 Robert: vegetarianism was a "late arrival" to the whole straight-edge culture. Although I'm with you... nothing finer than red-meat, rare. ;-) Robert: vegetarianism was a “late arrival” to the whole straight-edge culture. Although I’m with you… nothing finer than red-meat, rare. ;-)

]]> By: Jennifer G http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83302 Jennifer G Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:23:30 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83302 I think it is interesting, however.... What makes me wonder is this: .......if it's so bad to be 'under the influence' and 'people on welfare shouldn't be on drugs'.... ......then why are people be fighting to make drugs legal? I think it is interesting, however….

What makes me wonder is this:

…….if it’s so bad to be ‘under the influence’ and ‘people on welfare shouldn’t be on drugs’….

……then why are people be fighting to make drugs legal?

]]> By: Robert Enders http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83301 Robert Enders Thu, 26 Mar 2009 19:19:59 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83301 I am going to look at this from a purely fiscal conservative point of view. Pro: Drug users may have to find jobs in order to continue their habit. Con: Drug tests cost money. If the plan does not reduce the welfare rolls enough to pay for itself, it is a failure. Con: It is more expensive to put someone in jail than it is to give them welfare. If an addict loses his welfare benefits, he may turn to other forms of crime to feed himself and support his habit. Derek, You have to be vegetarian as well to be straight edge. I don't smoke, use drugs, or drink, but I love eating meat. I am going to look at this from a purely fiscal conservative point of view.
Pro: Drug users may have to find jobs in order to continue their habit.
Con: Drug tests cost money. If the plan does not reduce the welfare rolls enough to pay for itself, it is a failure.
Con: It is more expensive to put someone in jail than it is to give them welfare. If an addict loses his welfare benefits, he may turn to other forms of crime to feed himself and support his habit.

Derek,
You have to be vegetarian as well to be straight edge. I don’t smoke, use drugs, or drink, but I love eating meat.

]]> By: Derek http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83300 Derek Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:57:32 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83300 Well, you see my position would NOT be to "raise the level of oppression so now EVERYONE is being oppressed", but simply to lower the level of oppression so nobody is being oppressed. :-) But then again, I'm an anarchocapitalist.... I'm reminded of a PoliSci class I took in college (as an adult). The prof polled everyone for their political affiliation, just to get a "headcount" of the color of the room so to speak. When I said "Libertarian" someone asked what a libertarian was. I told them "A libertarian is an anarchist who's afraid to close the deal." And then, over time, I've slipped a little further out to the edge in my views. ;-) I want the government to STFU on drug-testing, heck I want it to STFU on drugs, period. But I also want it to stop giving out welfare, period, to anyone, as well. :-) Well, you see my position would NOT be to “raise the level of oppression so now EVERYONE is being oppressed”, but simply to lower the level of oppression so nobody is being oppressed. :-)

But then again, I’m an anarchocapitalist….

I’m reminded of a PoliSci class I took in college (as an adult). The prof polled everyone for their political affiliation, just to get a “headcount” of the color of the room so to speak. When I said “Libertarian” someone asked what a libertarian was. I told them “A libertarian is an anarchist who’s afraid to close the deal.”

And then, over time, I’ve slipped a little further out to the edge in my views. ;-)

I want the government to STFU on drug-testing, heck I want it to STFU on drugs, period. But I also want it to stop giving out welfare, period, to anyone, as well. :-)

]]> By: Bob G> http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83299 Bob G> Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:50:10 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83299 Derek: Equality IS what it is. Speeding up the revolution might be JUST what we need... But that's OK by me...let us taxpayers keep working. That's what they WANT us to do, so they can laugh as they cut in front of us in line at the grocery with their food stamps (and drive away in that nice, new SUV). ;) Derek:
Equality IS what it is.
Speeding up the revolution might be JUST what we need…

But that’s OK by me…let us taxpayers keep working. That’s what they WANT us to do, so they can laugh as they cut in front of us in line at the grocery with their food stamps (and drive away in that nice, new SUV).

;)

]]> By: Derek http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83298 Derek Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:18:10 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83298 Bob: ahhhhh, so we should all be equally oppressed by the State. That's a wonderful definition of "Freedom" you have there, if for no other reason than it would probably speed up the revolution. :-) Bob: ahhhhh, so we should all be equally oppressed by the State.

That’s a wonderful definition of “Freedom” you have there, if for no other reason than it would probably speed up the revolution. :-)

]]> By: Bob G. http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83297 Bob G. Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:31:00 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83297 I think it SHOULD be implimented...ASAP. Time to make everyone "equal", and by that I mean if you D/T for one group (those who actually SEEK employment), then D/T for the other (the ones who do NOT seek employment). No exceptions. And considering ALL the "people" I see "AT HOME" every damn day with nothing to do but sell drugs, buy drugs, and/or wait for that NEXT (taxpayer-funded) welfare check, I'd say we've a HUGE untapped workforce that needs some "direction and motivation". Talk about reparing our infrastructure...for CHEAP, too! Such a move to D/T them would be a wake-up call to the "frauders". ...And a godsend to the TAXPAYERS. And it would certainly help those who are trying their damnedest to wean themselves OFF of the "dole" and BE productive for themselves and their kids. Who knows...at THIS rate, maybe we'll even see prison chain gangs repairing our ROADS before long once again. (yeah, I can dream..the price is right) Good idea in any event. ;) I think it SHOULD be implimented…ASAP.
Time to make everyone “equal”, and by that I mean if you D/T for one group (those who actually SEEK employment), then D/T for the other (the ones who do NOT seek employment).
No exceptions.
And considering ALL the “people” I see “AT HOME” every damn day with nothing to do but sell drugs, buy drugs, and/or wait for that NEXT (taxpayer-funded) welfare check, I’d say we’ve a HUGE untapped workforce that needs some “direction and motivation”.
Talk about reparing our infrastructure…for CHEAP, too!
Such a move to D/T them would be a wake-up call to the “frauders”.
…And a godsend to the TAXPAYERS.

And it would certainly help those who are trying their damnedest to wean themselves OFF of the “dole” and BE productive for themselves and their kids.

Who knows…at THIS rate, maybe we’ll even see prison chain gangs repairing our ROADS before long once again.
(yeah, I can dream..the price is right)

Good idea in any event.

;)

]]> By: Derek http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83296 Derek Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:40:08 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83296 nope nope

]]> By: Derek http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83295 Derek Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:39:48 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83295 testing.... testing….

]]> By: hank rearden http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/comment-page-1/#comment-83294 hank rearden Thu, 26 Mar 2009 15:39:29 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2009/03/26/drug-testing-for-welfare-and-unemployment-recipients/#comment-83294 Do the drug testing. People are not being FORCED to get government benefits. If they want to do drugs on their own that's their business and I don't care. However, if they are receiving money from the government it's all of our business just like the bailouts are. Welfare recipients typically have a higher prevalence of illicit drug use. We can identify drug abusers and get them help with their addiction if they are willing to comply. Otherwise, if they have enough money to spend on illicit drugs, they don't need money for food stamps and other benefits. Do the drug testing.

People are not being FORCED to get government benefits. If they want to do drugs on their own that’s their business and I don’t care. However, if they are receiving money from the government it’s all of our business just like the bailouts are. Welfare recipients typically have a higher prevalence of illicit drug use. We can identify drug abusers and get them help with their addiction if they are willing to comply. Otherwise, if they have enough money to spend on illicit drugs, they don’t need money for food stamps and other benefits.

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