Comments on: Mayor Henry announces plans for “Spiece on Ice” http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/ Sun, 05 Sep 2010 11:21:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Mike Harvey http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-74258 Mike Harvey Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:25:08 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-74258 Oh... and I guess I should hammer the point being made re: "people feel they are entitled to bitch"... The point is that they are entitled to bitch because it is a socialist program. I'm not saying that the ice rink is that though... but when compared to the PV Field it does look more like "Spiece on Ice" in comparison... And I don't need to be included in those that would glory in seeing the downtown stuff fail. I can make a case that myself and River City are working to cause it to succeed more than some of its proponents and cheerleaders are doing. I'm just making a point about "Where is the effing drive to succeed?" That's something that comes from inside. Oh… and I guess I should hammer the point being made re: “people feel they are entitled to bitch”… The point is that they are entitled to bitch because it is a socialist program. I’m not saying that the ice rink is that though… but when compared to the PV Field it does look more like “Spiece on Ice” in comparison…

And I don’t need to be included in those that would glory in seeing the downtown stuff fail. I can make a case that myself and River City are working to cause it to succeed more than some of its proponents and cheerleaders are doing. I’m just making a point about “Where is the effing drive to succeed?” That’s something that comes from inside.

]]> By: Mike Harvey http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-74250 Mike Harvey Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:57:05 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-74250 Maybe "crush them into oblivion" isn't a gentle thing to say but the idea is that the people running the P&R operation don't/didn't have a drive to accomplish. Actually, I like them and have commiserated with them because they are more likely to have people abuse them for the mere fact that they are a city program and it's almost like some people feel they are entitled to bitch at them because of that. When I get bad people I just take them off the mailing list... problem solved. Maybe “crush them into oblivion” isn’t a gentle thing to say but the idea is that the people running the P&R operation don’t/didn’t have a drive to accomplish. Actually, I like them and have commiserated with them because they are more likely to have people abuse them for the mere fact that they are a city program and it’s almost like some people feel they are entitled to bitch at them because of that. When I get bad people I just take them off the mailing list… problem solved.

]]> By: Mike Harvey http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-74218 Mike Harvey Sat, 27 Sep 2008 12:11:09 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-74218 Ok, as I understand it the only thing Spiece has wanted the city to do is put in a few sidewalks. What Spiece has done for the city is pay probably somewhere between $125,000 to $150,000 in property taxes yearly and give a well documented economic boost to FW. So this is no "Spiece on Ice"... in fact, using that phrase is almost a case of rape. In reality it is, but I'm just trying to be gentle as per usual... 1) The city’s commitment is expected to represent about $250,000 2) The city will be participating by providing some infrastruture improvements in the way of a road and bike path along the Pufferbelly Trail. 3) Plans include a management firm to oversee both the new facility and the City-owned McMillen Ice Arena. I wish I could have been handed the city's Parks and Recreation volleyball leagues initially for the Fair Play Volleyball leagues I run rather than having to slowly crush them into oblivion... It would have saved me some time. This is not "Spiece on Ice"... Ok, as I understand it the only thing Spiece has wanted the city to do is put in a few sidewalks. What Spiece has done for the city is pay probably somewhere between $125,000 to $150,000 in property taxes yearly and give a well documented economic boost to FW.

So this is no “Spiece on Ice”… in fact, using that phrase is almost a case of rape. In reality it is, but I’m just trying to be gentle as per usual…

1) The city’s commitment is expected to represent about $250,000

2) The city will be participating by providing some infrastruture improvements in the way of a road and bike path along the Pufferbelly Trail.

3) Plans include a management firm to oversee both the new facility and the
City-owned McMillen Ice Arena.

I wish I could have been handed the city’s Parks and Recreation volleyball leagues initially for the Fair Play Volleyball leagues I run rather than having to slowly crush them into oblivion… It would have saved me some time.

This is not “Spiece on Ice”…

]]> By: Carl Sasyn http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-71919 Carl Sasyn Wed, 24 Sep 2008 17:55:20 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-71919 A similiar project went up in Wichita under Canlan and struggled then in September 2006 the City fired Canlan. Rink Management Services took over the project in September 2006 and in one year turned a profit after significant losses posted by Canlan. We operate in a similar market in the City of Wichita and I strongly advise a consultation regarding the impending project. We can offer valuable insight to the development, design and the overall feasibility of the project. If the McMillen Ice Arena transfers daily operation to a private management company we would like to be included in the RFP. Our history and reputation in the industry have made us the managers of choice for indoor rinks; outdoor rinks; privately-owned stand-alone rinks; privately-owned mall rinks; and foundation and municipal rinks. Our principals have an unparalleled reputation for customer service, quality of product and efficient operations. We have a proven track record of success You can visit our website at www.rinkmanagement.com/ to review our credentials. I can be reached anytime to discuss your options. Thank you, Carl Sasyn Regional Manager Rink Management Services Corporation 9400 Charter Crossing Suite D Mechanicsville, VA 23116 csasyn@hotmail.com A similiar project went up in Wichita under Canlan and struggled then in September 2006 the City fired Canlan. Rink Management Services took over the project in September 2006 and in one year turned a profit after significant losses posted by Canlan.

We operate in a similar market in the City of Wichita and I strongly advise a consultation regarding the impending project. We can offer valuable insight to the development, design and the overall feasibility of the project.

If the McMillen Ice Arena transfers daily operation to a private management company we would like to be included in the RFP. Our history and reputation in the industry have made us the managers of choice for indoor rinks; outdoor rinks; privately-owned stand-alone rinks; privately-owned mall rinks; and foundation and municipal rinks. Our principals have an unparalleled reputation for customer service, quality of product and efficient operations. We have a proven track record of success

You can visit our website at http://www.rinkmanagement.com/ to review our credentials.

I can be reached anytime to discuss your options.

Thank you,

Carl Sasyn

Regional Manager

Rink Management Services Corporation

9400 Charter Crossing Suite D

Mechanicsville, VA 23116

csasyn@hotmail.com

]]> By: Mike Harvey http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66657 Mike Harvey Tue, 16 Sep 2008 15:48:21 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66657 That's an interesting point. They are basically being handed the hockey business in town. "Spiece on Ice" isn't totally accurate as Spiece did it all without any public funds and weren't handed any business. That’s an interesting point. They are basically being handed the hockey business in town. “Spiece on Ice” isn’t totally accurate as Spiece did it all without any public funds and weren’t handed any business.

]]> By: Tom Wolf http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66356 Tom Wolf Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:01:18 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66356 Wow, and one more thing. Nobody questions the mayor's brother in being involved in this? The City gives up control of McMillan to a vested family member of the mayor and nobody questions that? Where the hell is city council in this? Tom Wolf Wow, and one more thing. Nobody questions the mayor’s brother in being involved in this? The City gives up control of McMillan to a vested family member of the mayor and nobody questions that? Where the hell is city council in this?

Tom Wolf

]]> By: Tom Wolf http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66334 Tom Wolf Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:18:20 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66334 JQT, I follow all the local blogs, read and respond with care. As always it boils down to follow the money. Again, if you read my post on FWP call the DPS and ask about Ramsey. This guy is full of promises and no follow through. I'm always amazed that the local press that is dying can't do journalism 101. Call DPS, if they tell you there's no problems then contact me at president@ carroll-creek.com and I'll give you our seven year history with this "developer". An ice rink is a great idea, but somebody needs to do the follow up on this clown before they befriend him with tax breaks and incentives. What really cheeses me off is that this should have been been found out with just a 1/2 hour research into building in Allen County. Tom JQT,
I follow all the local blogs, read and respond with care. As always it boils down to follow the money. Again, if you read my post on FWP call the DPS and ask about Ramsey. This guy is full of promises and no follow through. I’m always amazed that the local press that is dying can’t do journalism 101. Call DPS, if they tell you there’s no problems then contact me at president@ carroll-creek.com and I’ll give you our seven year history with this “developer”. An ice rink is a great idea, but somebody needs to do the follow up on this clown before they befriend him with tax breaks and incentives. What really cheeses me off is that this should have been been found out with just a 1/2 hour research into building in Allen County.
Tom

]]> By: J.Q. Taxpayer http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66317 J.Q. Taxpayer Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:41:16 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66317 Tom Wolf, I hope you are so WRONG. I have seen and worked with with so many groups that have proposed rinks. Most all of them lacked a solid true business plan. Even with a BS plan they could not raise the money. I have never heard of or Todd Ramsey outside of the rink so to me he is a new kid on the block. Just what I need!!!!! Tom Wolf,

I hope you are so WRONG. I have seen and worked with with so many groups that have proposed rinks. Most all of them lacked a solid true business plan. Even with a BS plan they could not raise the money.

I have never heard of or Todd Ramsey outside of the rink so to me he is a new kid on the block. Just what I need!!!!!

]]> By: Raced White Male http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66284 Raced White Male Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:49:10 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66284 Three Sheets...to the wind? Three Sheets…to the wind?

]]> By: Tom Wolf http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66279 Tom Wolf Tue, 16 Sep 2008 03:40:24 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66279 Please read my response on Fort Wayne Politics. And if Dan wants to post it here I'd like that. Todd Ramsey couldn't develop a Polaroid picture. Does anyone in old media do any investigation anymore? Sheesh! Tom Wolf, CCHA Please read my response on Fort Wayne Politics. And if Dan wants to post it here I’d like that. Todd Ramsey couldn’t develop a Polaroid picture. Does anyone in old media do any investigation anymore? Sheesh!

Tom Wolf, CCHA

]]> By: Dan Mauricio http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66120 Dan Mauricio Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:56:18 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66120 That would be"a team" and "call the McMillanice rink, thank you! That would be”a team” and “call the McMillanice rink, thank you!

]]> By: Dan Mauricio http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66117 Dan Mauricio Mon, 15 Sep 2008 21:53:00 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66117 How about a speed skating rink. There' s a young man here in Fort Wayne who's working very hard too get team together. For more info. the McMillan ice rink. How about a speed skating rink. There’ s a young man here in Fort Wayne who’s working very hard too get team together. For more info. the McMillan ice rink.

]]> By: shoeginmachine http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-66037 shoeginmachine Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:52:30 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-66037 I love the idea, I hate the location. OK, to be honest, the location makes perfect sense for the developers, but not for the city. It close to the ratty hotels that Hockey Mom's and their kids are used to staying in. There is easy access from 69 and it is a great central location for tournaments to draw from the Chicago to Cleveland and Grand Rapids to Louisville. With three sheets of ice, scheduling a lot of games won't be a problem either. Glad to see that the "old rink" at McMillan is getting closed. I hope the city is smart about it though and turns it into a roller-hockey rink instead of tearing down the infastructure. That said, without two sheets long term at McMillan...its days are numbered, and giving management control to the outside firm eliminates competition and sets the McMillan Facilty up for failure without more investment. As for location, In the "let's build up downtown Era", this idea should have been developed on the Omni Source site. I think some of the initial plans for the site by architects even called for such an idea. This is more of what downtown needed as opposed to a baseball stadium. I guess there is always hope, but the city just can't support more than 4 or 5 sheets of ice unless there is a big hockey boom. I love the idea, I hate the location. OK, to be honest, the location makes perfect sense for the developers, but not for the city. It close to the ratty hotels that Hockey Mom’s and their kids are used to staying in. There is easy access from 69 and it is a great central location for tournaments to draw from the Chicago to Cleveland and Grand Rapids to Louisville. With three sheets of ice, scheduling a lot of games won’t be a problem either.

Glad to see that the “old rink” at McMillan is getting closed. I hope the city is smart about it though and turns it into a roller-hockey rink instead of tearing down the infastructure. That said, without two sheets long term at McMillan…its days are numbered, and giving management control to the outside firm eliminates competition and sets the McMillan Facilty up for failure without more investment.

As for location, In the “let’s build up downtown Era”, this idea should have been developed on the Omni Source site. I think some of the initial plans for the site by architects even called for such an idea. This is more of what downtown needed as opposed to a baseball stadium. I guess there is always hope, but the city just can’t support more than 4 or 5 sheets of ice unless there is a big hockey boom.

]]> By: Mike Harvey http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/comment-page-1/#comment-65974 Mike Harvey Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:26:28 +0000 http://www.fortwaynenews.com/index.php/2008/09/15/mayor-henry-announces-plans-for-spiece-on-ice/#comment-65974 Yes, but this is the world of reality. It's tough to make a sports facility work. They would have had to wait forever to do it downtown. More than that... it wouldn't have even been discussed. Yes, but this is the world of reality. It’s tough to make a sports facility work. They would have had to wait forever to do it downtown. More than that… it wouldn’t have even been discussed.

]]>