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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15764</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one is not going to play out before the election.  Dan Sigler has time to respond and he will take all of it (especially considering he is responding to 36 pages).  Oral Arguments can be requested and set.  All of this is not going to happen before November 6th.  If the Court ruled in Kelty&#039;s favor, Dan would not be able to appeal, I believe.  If the Court ruled in Dan Sigler&#039;s favor, Kelty would be able to appeal. This could make this play out even longer---say 1.5 years and there is appeal available to the Indiana Supreme Court as well.  Most likely they would take it considering the nature of the issues.  Possibly appeal to the US Supreme Court available given the Constitutional issues. This all could take about 5 years. Welcome to the Legal System,  this case was tailor made for these appeals. No, I think that Kelty would let his appeals run before he even considers any other move.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one is not going to play out before the election.  Dan Sigler has time to respond and he will take all of it (especially considering he is responding to 36 pages).  Oral Arguments can be requested and set.  All of this is not going to happen before November 6th.  If the Court ruled in Kelty&#8217;s favor, Dan would not be able to appeal, I believe.  If the Court ruled in Dan Sigler&#8217;s favor, Kelty would be able to appeal. This could make this play out even longer&#8212;say 1.5 years and there is appeal available to the Indiana Supreme Court as well.  Most likely they would take it considering the nature of the issues.  Possibly appeal to the US Supreme Court available given the Constitutional issues. This all could take about 5 years. Welcome to the Legal System,  this case was tailor made for these appeals. No, I think that Kelty would let his appeals run before he even considers any other move.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Stocker</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15762</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Stocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

What Carol said.  And if it were me going to court up against so many felony counts, I sure as hell would not to want to rush to trial. That would be foolish.

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>What Carol said.  And if it were me going to court up against so many felony counts, I sure as hell would not to want to rush to trial. That would be foolish.</p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Squarefinger</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15761</link>
		<dc:creator>Squarefinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 12:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,

Anyone who reads these documents can see, he did tell the truth.

No one controls the court docket but the court. It doesn&#039;t matter who requests what.

From what I understand, the court transcripts where not made available to the Kelty team until about 3-weeks ago, just before the inital court date set in Oct. That must be why Kelty&#039;s attorney&#039;s requested a new court date in Dec, they hadn&#039;t even received the court transcripts before the original date set in order to even begin a brief.

I know this may be a new concept for you Kevin, actually having the information before making an informed argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,</p>
<p>Anyone who reads these documents can see, he did tell the truth.</p>
<p>No one controls the court docket but the court. It doesn&#8217;t matter who requests what.</p>
<p>From what I understand, the court transcripts where not made available to the Kelty team until about 3-weeks ago, just before the inital court date set in Oct. That must be why Kelty&#8217;s attorney&#8217;s requested a new court date in Dec, they hadn&#8217;t even received the court transcripts before the original date set in order to even begin a brief.</p>
<p>I know this may be a new concept for you Kevin, actually having the information before making an informed argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Popp</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15760</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Popp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 11:36:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin.  You are exhibiting ignorance of the law.  He has been ACCUSED of lying to the grand jury.  It does not mean that he did.  I found writing on my wall the other day.  I asked my 4 year old if he did it.  &quot;no... Mark did.&quot;  I was convinced he was lying to me.  But that doesn&#039;t mean that he did.  Caught Mark red-handed 2hrs later.

silly analogy, I know, but if it was YOUR guy on the ropes, you&#039;d be going around reminding people that &quot;hey, they&#039;re only accusing him of lying.  The burden is on the prosecution to PROVE that he is lying.  But until then, we have to presume his innocence.&quot;   

And you know it.

Kelty was very wise to request the trial stay until after the election... even if he didn&#039;t, it could not have been so.  Much to your disliking, people are actually paying attention to the ISSUES of the debates and what he is actually saying about his plan for Ft Wayne.  I&#039;m sure people who are undecided are moving closer toward being able to make a decision about one of the candidates, be it Henry or Kelty... but it&#039;s based on the issues.  If Kelty were in the middle of a trial right now, the issues would be drowned out and he wouldn&#039;t stand a chance~  You know it.  And that is why you would have liked the trial to proceed prior to the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin.  You are exhibiting ignorance of the law.  He has been ACCUSED of lying to the grand jury.  It does not mean that he did.  I found writing on my wall the other day.  I asked my 4 year old if he did it.  &#8220;no&#8230; Mark did.&#8221;  I was convinced he was lying to me.  But that doesn&#8217;t mean that he did.  Caught Mark red-handed 2hrs later.</p>
<p>silly analogy, I know, but if it was YOUR guy on the ropes, you&#8217;d be going around reminding people that &#8220;hey, they&#8217;re only accusing him of lying.  The burden is on the prosecution to PROVE that he is lying.  But until then, we have to presume his innocence.&#8221;   </p>
<p>And you know it.</p>
<p>Kelty was very wise to request the trial stay until after the election&#8230; even if he didn&#8217;t, it could not have been so.  Much to your disliking, people are actually paying attention to the ISSUES of the debates and what he is actually saying about his plan for Ft Wayne.  I&#8217;m sure people who are undecided are moving closer toward being able to make a decision about one of the candidates, be it Henry or Kelty&#8230; but it&#8217;s based on the issues.  If Kelty were in the middle of a trial right now, the issues would be drowned out and he wouldn&#8217;t stand a chance~  You know it.  And that is why you would have liked the trial to proceed prior to the election.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Knuth</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15757</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Knuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 09:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,  Kelty cannot plea- he will lose his license to be an architect if he does.  He has put himself in a bad spot- he should have just told the truth from the beginning.

Ken,  Kelty could have settled this whole thing if he had requested the trial be held BEFORE the election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,  Kelty cannot plea- he will lose his license to be an architect if he does.  He has put himself in a bad spot- he should have just told the truth from the beginning.</p>
<p>Ken,  Kelty could have settled this whole thing if he had requested the trial be held BEFORE the election.</p>
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		<title>By: J. Q. Taxpayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. Q. Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 03:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bald headed damaged brain tells me the only way it can go to a PA is if they find fault. Otherwise everytime someone is not happy they run to the PA.

What stops the next person or persons from grabbing both Henry&#039;s and Kelty&#039;s reports and saying that someone gave money to John Jones to donate to each of them. I think our people down at state may have thought of that and required it to go through the local election board. 

There appears to be no provision to appeal the ruling. But maybe some place else in the state code a person can appeal the ruling. But an appeal was not made.

I guess we can all toss out our beliefs and one of us will be right. That and one dollar will get you a double chesseburger at the new Mac out on South Anthony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bald headed damaged brain tells me the only way it can go to a PA is if they find fault. Otherwise everytime someone is not happy they run to the PA.</p>
<p>What stops the next person or persons from grabbing both Henry&#8217;s and Kelty&#8217;s reports and saying that someone gave money to John Jones to donate to each of them. I think our people down at state may have thought of that and required it to go through the local election board. </p>
<p>There appears to be no provision to appeal the ruling. But maybe some place else in the state code a person can appeal the ruling. But an appeal was not made.</p>
<p>I guess we can all toss out our beliefs and one of us will be right. That and one dollar will get you a double chesseburger at the new Mac out on South Anthony.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Stocker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Stocker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a question for all you legal beagles. I read the motion in it&#039;s entirety, and it looks to me to be a matter of when, not if the charges are going to be dismissed. Now, how long should it take for the Allen County Superior Court to come back with a ruling either way. Is there a possibility of a ruling coming out prior to the election? I would hate to have 20,000 or more people slapping themselves on the forehead saying, &quot;darn, I would have voted for Kelty had I known about this earlier&quot; while Tom Henry is being sworn in. 

Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a question for all you legal beagles. I read the motion in it&#8217;s entirety, and it looks to me to be a matter of when, not if the charges are going to be dismissed. Now, how long should it take for the Allen County Superior Court to come back with a ruling either way. Is there a possibility of a ruling coming out prior to the election? I would hate to have 20,000 or more people slapping themselves on the forehead saying, &#8220;darn, I would have voted for Kelty had I known about this earlier&#8221; while Tom Henry is being sworn in. </p>
<p>Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Pruitt</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15743</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Pruitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 02:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kelty is going to plea this out to a single felony and no jail time after he loses the election. That would be the smart thing to do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kelty is going to plea this out to a single felony and no jail time after he loses the election. That would be the smart thing to do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Popp</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15735</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Popp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Page 78 of the 2007 Indiana Campaign Finance Manual:

&quot;If the Commission or board determines that a felony or misdemeanor violation of the Campaign Finance Act &quot;may&quot; have occured, the violation must be reported to the appropriate prosecuting attorney... a prosecuting attorney is responsible for prosecuting criminal violations of the Act, and may file criminal charges follwing referral by a county election board.&quot;

Sounds tome like the election board is indeed &quot;charged with interpreting and enforcing&quot;.  They are enforcing their belief that a candidate violated campaign finance laws by referring the information and report to the prosecuting attorney.  Hmmm~  That didn&#039;t happen with Matt Kelty, did it.

I don&#039;t see anything in this &quot;motion to dismiss the charges&quot; any reference to their job of &quot;determining guilt&quot;.  That is not what is being implied in this paragraph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Page 78 of the 2007 Indiana Campaign Finance Manual:</p>
<p>&#8220;If the Commission or board determines that a felony or misdemeanor violation of the Campaign Finance Act &#8220;may&#8221; have occured, the violation must be reported to the appropriate prosecuting attorney&#8230; a prosecuting attorney is responsible for prosecuting criminal violations of the Act, and may file criminal charges follwing referral by a county election board.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds tome like the election board is indeed &#8220;charged with interpreting and enforcing&#8221;.  They are enforcing their belief that a candidate violated campaign finance laws by referring the information and report to the prosecuting attorney.  Hmmm~  That didn&#8217;t happen with Matt Kelty, did it.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see anything in this &#8220;motion to dismiss the charges&#8221; any reference to their job of &#8220;determining guilt&#8221;.  That is not what is being implied in this paragraph.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or not submit the matter to a Prosecuting Attorney.  The assumption is if they don&#039;t submit it to a Prosecuting Attorney that someone else can and that there is probable cause to support them.  Bad assumption.   Dan Sigler is going to have to make these arguments in front of the Court of Appeals. The arguments in Kelty&#039;s brief are compelling.  The law is unclear and just about anybody could have been indicted by Dan Sigler given the way he pursued this.  Its spurious.  Win or lose in the election--these charges will not see the light of a jury.  They won&#039;t.  They will be dismissed. They are a load of crap and keeping in line with other historic loads of crap that have been unfairly loaded upon unsuspecting people by the &quot;cultural elite&quot; of this County.  Excuse me while I spend another 48 hours studying these briefs  and look for missing commas and spelling errors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or not submit the matter to a Prosecuting Attorney.  The assumption is if they don&#8217;t submit it to a Prosecuting Attorney that someone else can and that there is probable cause to support them.  Bad assumption.   Dan Sigler is going to have to make these arguments in front of the Court of Appeals. The arguments in Kelty&#8217;s brief are compelling.  The law is unclear and just about anybody could have been indicted by Dan Sigler given the way he pursued this.  Its spurious.  Win or lose in the election&#8211;these charges will not see the light of a jury.  They won&#8217;t.  They will be dismissed. They are a load of crap and keeping in line with other historic loads of crap that have been unfairly loaded upon unsuspecting people by the &#8220;cultural elite&#8221; of this County.  Excuse me while I spend another 48 hours studying these briefs  and look for missing commas and spelling errors.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Popp</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15732</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Popp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin.  I don&#039;t understand your point.  What do you mean that the election board cannot determin guilt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin.  I don&#8217;t understand your point.  What do you mean that the election board cannot determin guilt?</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Knuth</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15730</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Knuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving it a second read- may not finish tonight-

Section 1- page 10 under &quot;indictment&quot;

&quot;..to surmise how only 3 weeks later concluded that Kelty violated the same laws, which the very board (referring the the Allen County Election Board) that is statuatorily charged with interpreting and enforcing...&quot;

WRONG- 100% Wrong.

The election board cannot determine guilt- they can only submit the matter to a Proscuting Attorney as laid out in IC 3-6-5-31.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Giving it a second read- may not finish tonight-</p>
<p>Section 1- page 10 under &#8220;indictment&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;..to surmise how only 3 weeks later concluded that Kelty violated the same laws, which the very board (referring the the Allen County Election Board) that is statuatorily charged with interpreting and enforcing&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>WRONG- 100% Wrong.</p>
<p>The election board cannot determine guilt- they can only submit the matter to a Proscuting Attorney as laid out in IC 3-6-5-31.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Knuth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Knuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JQ- you bring a valid point up.

The TRUTH is WE DO NOT KNOW what the Grand Jury heard.  We only know snippets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JQ- you bring a valid point up.</p>
<p>The TRUTH is WE DO NOT KNOW what the Grand Jury heard.  We only know snippets.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Popp</title>
		<link>http://www.angrywhiteboy.org/index.php/2007/10/25/kelty-motion-to-dismiss/comment-page-1/#comment-15726</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Popp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe, not based on any proof or things I&#039;ve heard, that the defense probably wants the testimony &quot;sealed&quot; until after the election, or until this thing goest to court.  If the testimony were open for the public, the dems, the papers, the news would be obsessed with it.  People are still obsessed with the cake.

If I were Kelty&#039;s lawyers, I certainly would ask the testimony to be sealed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe, not based on any proof or things I&#8217;ve heard, that the defense probably wants the testimony &#8220;sealed&#8221; until after the election, or until this thing goest to court.  If the testimony were open for the public, the dems, the papers, the news would be obsessed with it.  People are still obsessed with the cake.</p>
<p>If I were Kelty&#8217;s lawyers, I certainly would ask the testimony to be sealed.</p>
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